Gas Gauge Repairs

This post on the Binder Planet talks specifically about a problem I’m having with my gas gauge, and has steps to fix the problem. Now, to find an incandescent test light.

Here’s another good update:

There’s only one wire from the gauge to the sender. This is the signal wire. It’s not a positive wire; it will however, show what I call “ghost positive” using a test light. It will appear as a slow flashing at the test light. This “ghost positive” is the CVR power flowing through the guage itself to ground. I call it ghost positive because it’s not really there. You will see the same thing in a two wire light bulb circuit with an open ground wire. Positive is present at one side the bulb but has no place to go; so if you hook a test light to the open ground wire side of the bulb, it will look like that’s a positive wire, it’s not, it’s a ghost. I used to think gauges were smarter than light bulbs but they’re not. The useful thing about this flashing ghost at your signal wire is that it does tell you that you actually have the signal wire, it is making its way to the guage and your CVR is working.

The signal this wire carries is a ground signal to which the gauge responds based on ohms of resistance in the signal. As I said, the sending unit provides variable resistance to ground. It does this via a wiper connected to the float. As the float moves up and down the amount of resistance to ground in the signal changes from 73 ohms when the tank is empty and the float arm is all the way down to 10 ohms resistance when the tank is full and the float arm is all the way up. This is why when you connect the signal wire to a 00 ground, the gauge pegs over “F”.

Update: Here are some other good posts on the subject:

…the ammeter gauge has a direct battery feed. That’s why its still working. The other gauges all receive power from the fuse block when the ignition switch is in the ON or ACC positions through circuit 28. This wire runs to the plastic gang plug and becomes 28A which is connected to the multi-pin on the back of the OIL/TEMP printed circuit board (PCB). From there it runs through a small, rectangular device screwed to the back of that PCB called a constant voltage regulator (CVR). This device regulates the 12 volts into an average of 5 volts which will display as a pulsing light when probed with an incandescent test light. From there it passes back through the gang plug as 28B which daisy chains over to the gang plug on the back of the ALT/FUEL PCB. One must be very careful when disconnecting those plastic gang connectors as the pins are very delicate and easily loosened/dislodged from the PCB. The other common issue with these gauges is the stamped steel nuts that secure the individual gauges to the PCB’s work loose and the ground is lost. Best fix is to replace them with brass nuts, but at the least you need to make sure the steel nuts are snug. Now you have the current path for the instruments, so you should be able to trace it out with your test probe.

This thread has more good info about plastic tanks and grounding:

…I was wondering if anyone knows the proper wiring of the fuel sender on a 1973 scout II with a new plastic 19 gallon tank the PO put in. I have a brown wire on the center screw ” I’m assuming this is the signal wire to the gauge” a red wire with a blade connector attached to the top side of the fuel sender ” My Manual says ground” and an extra black wire with a blade connector going nowhere “was this added for some kind of ground because its a plastic tank?” I read a bunch of other threads and they seem to say the red is the signal going back to the gauge and the brown being ground, but my manual, if I’m reading it correctly says the opposite and there is no mention of an extra black wire. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

The center pin is the one that goes to the gauge. The spade connectors are for the sender ground and the tank ground. The sender needs the ground to complete the circuit and the tank needs a ground to prevent static build up since it is plastic. To determine which wire is the one that goes to the gauge get an incandescent test light. Connect it to a good ground and with the ignition on test the wires. The one going to the gauge should make the light blink.

And here’s a very simple, perfect bit of info:

The wire in the center is the wire from the gauge. The other wire towards the edge is a ground. A steel tank is grounded to the frame, so it’s not critical, but if there is a lot of rust, it’s better to have a ground on the sender.

I have studying to do.

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Hoarding or Foresight?

Last week was a good one for Peer Pressure. She spent Monday to Thursday on the road with the top down and I had a smile on my face all week.

This Saturday she hauled 60 cubic feet of mulch from the Middle School to our lawn with no complaints. Finn spent half the afternoon playing in the driver’s seat while I raked and mulched next to the driveway. Finn has declared the rear bed is her dance party room.

Driving

I got a call late Sunday from a guy I’ve bought parts from before; he needs a pair of Terra windows for his son’s project and it just so happens I’ve got a pair sitting in the garage. His son is going to convert a full travel top Scout to a Terra, will most likely be getting rid of his top, and would I be interested in it if he does?

Sure, I would.

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Change in Plans?

So thinking about some of the issues we’ve seen with Brian’s bumper and the sag in the hinge has us thinking. In my post on the Binder Planet, I put out the call for other hinge alternatives, and we got some information about this hinge setup. It’s meant for a top-mount system, but Brian and I talked over an alternative that would work if we can find someone with a metal brake to fab it up for us:

It’s a C-shaped piece with two holes drilled for the hinge sleeve, and a third tab added in the center for extra rigidity. It gets mounted to the face of the bumper, then the sleeve is welded inside the holes, and none of the geometry of the bumper needs to be altered.

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Under Cover.

Two quick things: I got a pair of Fel-Pro donuts (60478) for the manifold leak last week; now I need to get some time to install one. (New company policy around here: When buying parts, buy two, use one, and put the second into storage).

Secondly, I had to kill a little time with Finn, so I brought her out to the garage with me and put the soft top back on. According to Peer Pressure, summer is officially over. But having the soft top on leads me to one of my next projects: adding snaps to the soft top frames around the windows. I picked up a snap repair kit from West Marine a month ago. The plan is to screw male snaps into the frames and add female snaps to the underside flap so that the flaps will stay in place; I have to wait for a warm day and pick up a good metal bit for the drill to get started.

Scouting Weekend.

Mama and Finn are going away for a 4-day weekend, so I will be on my own. Naturally, my thoughts turned to projects that require time that I haven’t had, and I made a list of things that take more than 2 hours but less than 2 days to complete. The first thing that came to mind was spraying bedliner on Peer Pressure’s tub, but the amount of prep time needed for that job is just too much for one person. Next on the list was the spare gas tank I’ve had sitting in the basement, surrounded by the parts and tools needed to replace it. I called Mr. Scout, and we made a plan, which then expanded into a trip across the bridge to Chestertown, a visit to Dogfish Head, Rehoboth, and other adventures unknown.

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Manual Transmisson.

So it looks like Super Scout Specialists have new manuals in stock, which is great news. Previous printings had images that were were dark and muddy, and for someone as visually-oriented as myself, having clear diagrams and reference is mandatory. They’re having a special on them this month, so I may bite the bullet and get mine ordered next week—just in time to help drop my gas tank.

Small Updates.

Not much new to write about right now; the truck is running really well and I haven’t made any major updates to it since last I wrote. Two small things of interest, though:

I lost my gas cap last weekend while filling up the 1-gallon tank for the lawn mower, so I bought a Stant locking replacement cap.
Super Scout Specialists is now selling updated Scout II service manuals for the low price of $95, which means I can finally buy a set. The old ones were reproduced poorly so that the pictures were useless. If these are anything as nice as the Scout 80/800 manuals, they should be a huge improvement.

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Weekend Cruise.

I haven’t gotten much done with the Scout lately, but I’ve been slowly amassing parts. One thing that has been crawling closer to completion is the radio install, but we’re not quite there yet. The DIN sleeve is in the faceplate but it needs to be trimmed a little more to fit. The head unit itself needs a source of constant power to retain the programmed memory, so I have to find a way to get a 12V wire from the battery to the dashboard. Thankfully there’s a female pigtail off the battery connector that I can tap into, so I’m going to pick up a length of 12 gauge wire and a box of connectors, pull the inline fuse from the old radio, and run it into the dashboard. I also have to rewire the rear speakers with something heavier.

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While I had a little time with Finn Sunday afternoon, I replaced a couple more bulbs in the dashboard, but the one I swapped out for the left indicator light isn’t working. It also happens to be the most difficult to get in without disassembling the entire speedo assembly.

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Spares.

I read a recent post on the Jalopy Journal about using a 39 Ford as a daily driver, and it got me thinking. The author talked about return on investment vs. the ever-present fear of breakdown when taking a 70-year-old automobile on the road every day; ultimately he found the satisfaction outweighed the worry and determined to press onward. Among the thoughtful and well-considered responses to the post, I found, among other things, an excellent quote from Kerouac’s On the Road, lots of support and admiration, and some good advice for the inevitable breakdown. And a list of helpful items to have in a toolkit:

  • Radiator hoses, both upper and lower
  • Pipe clamps for same
  • A rotor
  • A fresh coil
  • A starter (heh)
  • Fan belt
  • Fuel filter
  • Fuel pump
  • Fuses

This list is something I intend to work on in the next month as the weather gets warmer.

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